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19 June 2012 @ 08:42 pm
 
bookshop has re-posted her locked McShep Primer, which is made up of awesome and kickass.

or maybe she allowed it to be re-posted, idk. either way it's back!
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hoktauri on June 20th, 2012 12:51 am (UTC)
Awesome! I hadn't realized she'd locked it, but I'm glad it's available again. It's been a while since I revisited it. *refrains from the distraction* The only problem I had with this post is how much she calls the show stupid. I just. *hrmph*

Of course, now I'm trying to remember if bookshop is the one that wrote the post about the progression of their courtship based on the courtship rules found in a psychology book. *ponders*

The one post that's gone now that I wish were still around is "Czech Psychology and Tabula Rasa Meta", which used to be on the welovezelenka community. OMG that post and its ensuing commentary just floored me. It was all Zelenka-related, and it was made of SO MUCH WIN.
popkin16: ☂ such desirepopkin16 on June 20th, 2012 01:01 am (UTC)
I only realized she locked it when I went to link to it over at my McShep tumblr. I was extremely disappointed. Now that it's unlocked, I am taking no chances and have kept a copy :D

The only problem I had with this post is how much she calls the show stupid. I just. *hrmph*

A surprising number of people have felt this way, sadly. I remember reading this one girl confess that she watches the show only so she can be a part of the fandom - she doesn't care for the episodes, but she needs to know what's going on so she can better understand the fics. Another girl I met said she hasn't seen a single episode, she just loves the fic.

I love the show. I think the show and the fic just make each other better together.

Of course, now I'm trying to remember if bookshop is the one that wrote the post about the progression of their courtship based on the courtship rules found in a psychology book.

Are you talking about this post by winkingstar? I love that post XD

The one post that's gone now that I wish were still around is "Czech Psychology and Tabula Rasa Meta", which used to be on the welovezelenka community. OMG that post and its ensuing commentary just floored me. It was all Zelenka-related, and it was made of SO MUCH WIN.

IT'S NOT AROUND ANYMORE? I am bitterly disappointed by this. I'd love to read it.
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i feel the madness creeping in: mcshep2aadarshinah on June 20th, 2012 12:56 am (UTC)
They are simultaneously the most ridiculously dorky, aging, unattractive men, and the most inexplicably hot. And they have the, like, most RIDICULOUSLY OBNOXIOUS PERSONALITIES, except for how they're simultaneously COMPLETELY ADORKABLE and endearing

This is like the best way of describing McShep ever, even if I've got to agree with hoktauri about all the unnessicary down-putting of the series.
popkin16: ♦ no ships like partnershipspopkin16 on June 20th, 2012 01:04 am (UTC)
This is like the best way of describing McShep ever..."

It's pretty much perfect, isn't it? Couldn't have said it better XD

I've got to agree with hoktauri about all the unnessicary down-putting of the series.

Like I told hoktauri, this really doesn't surprise me - I've run into this sentiment before. Some people are really only interested in the fandom, and want no part of the show itself (or only watch to better enhance their fandom experience). I think it's ridiculous, because I love the show a stupid amount, campy though it may be.

But yeah, the put downs about the show make me upset and defensive.
i feel the madness creeping inaadarshinah on June 20th, 2012 01:15 am (UTC)
'tis the best way I've ever found, that's for sure. It's on my page-of-random-fandom quotes. At the top.

It's not so much the putting down of SGA (hell, I do it sometimes too), but the degree to which its done. It's like, yes, we get it already. Move on. But that might just be me.
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Captain Awesome von Baconpants: adorkablesquidgiepdx on June 20th, 2012 01:41 am (UTC)
YES!!! I kept forgetting to email her to see if she could reopen it. Woohoo!!!!
popkin16: ♥ nibble & nuzzlepopkin16 on June 20th, 2012 01:42 am (UTC)
It's exciting news :D I saved a copy, just in case!!
thebiggest_liethebiggest_lie on June 20th, 2012 11:04 am (UTC)
I love this post more than words, but I concur with everyone else in this post who said the downputting of the show bothered them. I remember the first time I read it feeling...not just defensive of the show, but like I was being told WHAT to like and that if I did like the show, I was clearly inferior. I adore bookshop for so many reasons, but I also think she has a tendency to find fault with EVERYTHING and instead of acknowledging that everything is flawed, she focuses on what she doesn't like about it. I CLEARLY HAVE A LOT OF FEELINGS ABOUT THIS.

I am strongly considering an SGA rewatch after I finish Buffy and Lost. STOP ME, MELISSA.
popkin16: ☂ all the fun things go by that namepopkin16 on June 20th, 2012 11:30 am (UTC)
I LOVE READING YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THINGS.

Yeah, I know what you mean. And I'm glad the show isn't perfect, but the shows that I find extremely well-written - like Castle or Battlestar Galactica - those I feel no urge to read fic for. The Castle/Beckett relationship is handled pretty damn well on the show, no need for fic. So I'm glad SGA has flaws, I only wish bookshop could have focused less on them.

I am strongly considering an SGA rewatch after I finish Buffy and Lost. STOP ME, MELISSA.

OH BB. YOU KNOW YOU'VE COME TO THE WRONG PLACE IF YOU WANT TO BE STOPPED. I WISH TO ENCOURAGE YOU: Think of John and Rodney, and all the little moments that make the pairing and show great :)
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let's get the seven lines.bookshop on June 20th, 2012 08:50 pm (UTC)

Hi! I hope you don't mind my commenting (I realize I wasn't necessarily meant to see this so I apologize for any awkwardness that may result)!

Like I said above, I wouldn't have bought 4 seasons of the show if I equated "stupid" with "bad." I love stupid things. Ask me how many stupid movies about giant super-intelligent sea creatures I've consumed in my lifetime. Or how many eps of MST3K and Rifftrax. Or, god help me, bad YA paranormals. I really love things I think are stupid, haha.

But I'm not going to act like I think a show is smart when I don't. In that post, I was trying to balance my own mockery of the show with self-mockery for enjoying a show I think is dumb and genuine enthusiasm for said show, and for the fandom. I included a lot of information on the actual eps, which was something lots of people tended to leave out of their primers for the series, because to me the episodes have a HUGE effect on how you read the characters and how you enjoy the show. You can't, for example, really get much nuance out of Shep's character before you've seen the S1 finale where he goes all psycho on Kolya and kills like 30 people at once, for example. And there are so many eps that I unironically love, especially from S3 and S4. So many!

re: what you said about how I focus too much on the flaws--oh, I absolutely, absolutely am aware, and try to acknowledge, that everything is flawed. And I was a professional theatre critic for three years, as well as an editor for many years, so I am really attuned to picking out flaws as well as positives. But I think the basic thing about me is that I honestly just don't wholeheartedly love a lot of things. When I do, when I really love something, I have nothing but joy in it and overwhelming effusive praise. (You can see what that looks like if you check the primer immediately below it, another old backdated primer for Prince of Tennis. (Which is also really silly and awesome.) Namely, it looks like 7 posts of tl;dr let-me-tell-you-how-much-i-love-this-thing-here's-a-picspam.)

I was never in SGA fandom. I read fic for years on the sidelines, I bought the episodes out of fondness and because I like stupid things, and SGA is a stupid thing that makes me really happy! But I don't love SGA the way I love fandoms I've actually been active in. Maybe that's the simple difference. There just aren't a lot of things that I love. But there are a lot of things I really, really enjoy--and part of what I enjoy about things is being able to critique them and analyze them, and/or poke fun at them, and myself, and fandom. So that's what you got in this post.

All that said--all my opinions and observations are just my opinions and observations, and are never intended to be constrictive or prostrictive. And certainly never to make you or anyone feel like you're doing fandom wrong.
All I wanted was a pony....: www.manopoly.comwanted_a_pony on June 20th, 2012 03:40 pm (UTC)
Oooh, thanks so much for this link! :: saves six ways from Sunday ::
popkin16: ☂ by your side i'll make itpopkin16 on June 20th, 2012 11:35 pm (UTC)
YOU'RE WELCOME :D I've saved a copy myself, because I never want to lose it again.
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McKay's Monkeymckaysmonkey on June 20th, 2012 04:31 pm (UTC)
Thanks for digging this up.
popkin16: ♥ nibble & nuzzlepopkin16 on June 20th, 2012 11:36 pm (UTC)
It was all bookshop really :P She posted a link to tumblr, which brought it to my attention XD

But I'm happy to have brought it to your attention? :P
McKay's Monkeymckaysmonkey on June 20th, 2012 11:51 pm (UTC)
I've read it before, but I didn't have a bookmark.

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